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Do You Feel Safe Crossing South Pas Streets?

A 72-year-old man was killed Sunday after being hit by a vehicle at Pasadena Avenue and Arroyo Drive. Do you feel safe crossing streets in South Pas? Check out our map, and share your thoughts.

A recent pedestrian fatality at Pasadena Avenue and Arroyo Drive has prompted a group of residents to start a petition asking for larger signs/signals to protect pedestrians and drivers at that intersection. 

"They need a signal there," one woman, who was at the scene of the accident, commented on Patch. "It's a terrible corner. I was trying to stop and divert traffic so nobody else got hurt, people were flying right up to us." 

Officer Jeff Holland of SPPD's Traffic Division told Pasadena Star-News that pedestrian deaths happen "occasionally" in South Pasadena.  

He also said there hasn't been a pedestrian death in the Arroyo Drive crosswalk in the 17 years he's been on the force.

Patch Asks: Do you feel South Pas crosswalks are safe for pedestrians? Which intersections are safe? Which are you nervous to cross? Zoom in on the above map, and add your thoughts. 

Here's how it works:

1. Click the "Add" button in the upper righthand corner of the map. 

2. Under "Location," create an "Entry Name" (for instance: "safe intersection" or "needs a stoplight") and fill in the "Address."

3. Under the "Details" tab, explain yourself whether it be suggesting an alternate route or providing a safe solution in the "Description" box. 

5. Do you have photos or a YouTube video to share? Click on "Choose File" to upload your visuals under the "Media" tab. 

6. All done? You can "Preview" and then "Submit" using the tabs at the bottom of the box. 

Patricia July 25, 2012 at 03:49 PM
Unfortunately, pedestrians don't always share responsibility. Especially, joggers and those out at night. We should all be more careful.
Melissa M. July 25, 2012 at 05:17 PM
Done! This is a great idea. Very proactive. Responsibility is on both sides to ensure safety. But I know first hand that people speed and don't pay attention in a lot of these areas. A pedestrian could start crossing when traffic is clear and half way through the crosswalk have a car on top of them because they are speeding. Drivers need to be aware that a pedestrian/bicyclist is no match against their car and will likely be either killed or rendered incapacitated for the rest of their lives if an incident happens. Does the driver want to live with knowing they did that for the rest of their lives? Drivers need to be more vigilant to ensure the safety of others since they are the ones with the car that can kill. The BIGGEST offense is when a driver is taking a right on red, watches only to the left to see if the traffic is clear and then goes without checking to the right to see if a pedestrian is there. The pedestrian can't MAKE the driver look out for them. Don't drive distracted, don't speed and scan the road when on surface streets.
Kristen Lepore (Editor) July 25, 2012 at 05:30 PM
Thanks to everyone who is uploading to the map. I've added a legend to the right. If you click on a listed intersection, it will show details on the map.
Betty Jean July 25, 2012 at 06:01 PM
IMO drivers are FORCED to drive smaller streets which intern creates problems for pedestrians. If the city put drivers back on to appropriate streets then some of the problems would be solved. You can put up 25 mph signs and have SPPD patrol all you want but it doesn't solve the problem of traffic on two lane streets. Put traffic back on four lane streets!
Sheila Beaumont July 25, 2012 at 06:43 PM
I don't even feel safe walking on the sidewalks here. It seems to me that bicyclists are becoming more aggressive. On Lyndon Street last month, walking on the sidewalk, I was hit head-on by a bicyclist and knocked onto the sidewalk. No broken bones, but I'm still recovering from an injured wrist. And just a couple of days ago, walking along Monterey Road's narrow sidewalk, I had to move fast onto a lawn to get out of the way of a bicyclist who came up behind me.
spidra July 25, 2012 at 06:54 PM
I was crossing at Fair Oaks and Huntington yesterday. There is no light at the crosswalk between westbound Huntington and northbound Fair Oaks. I waited for a break in traffic and started walking. A speeder appeared. I looked straight at him to let him know I was in the crosswalk and had my eye on him. He never once slowed down. He buzzed me while I was still in the crosswalk. I rarely see motorists being pulled over for illegal and unsafe behavior like that. Once in a while someone gets pulled over for speeding on Fair Oaks. But I see drivers speeding on residential streets all the time. I see drivers at a 4-way stop start into the intersection before the person with the right-of-way (whether another driver, cyclist or pedestrian) has fully made it across. I see drivers blow stop signs. Drivers who don't signal lane changes or turns. This stuff seems to be thought "small potatoes" by law enforcement but the reason it is so common and causing accidents is because it isn't adequately enforced. People know they won't likely get a ticket so they do it. There's nothing forcing drivers who don't live in South Pasadena to drive smaller streets. And certainly nothing forcing them to speed over the limit.
Betty Jean July 25, 2012 at 07:08 PM
Pasadena Ave at Monterey is forcing drivers onto smaller streets. You're correct about the "small potatoes".
Melissa M. July 25, 2012 at 07:13 PM
I agree that bicyclist aren't always safe and follow the laws of the road. First off? They aren't supposed to be on sidewalks in the first place. The biggest reason I hear from these folks is that it's because they don't feel safe on the street with the drivers. So in turn, it goes down the line. They don't feel safe on the street, they ride on the sidewalk and this puts pedestrians in danger of being hit by them. People have died from collisions with bicycles too! I think the main problem is that people do not drive safely on these streets because the police force isn't adequately enforcing the speed limits and laws in these areas. In other cities that I walk/drive in, people know that just ahead there is likely a speed trap and they slow down. The reason they think there is likely a speed trap? Because periodically throughout the week there is. I think closer monitoring and more consistent enforcement of the traffic laws in these areas by the Police will make a BIG difference. Not just on Fair Oaks and other main drags, but on smaller side streets and busier roads that are sometimes ignored.
Betty Jean July 25, 2012 at 07:20 PM
Melissa, you are absolutely correct. I've been saying this for years.
HLPSUCKS July 25, 2012 at 09:20 PM
i totally agree with you on drivers making right turns.I always wait for them to look before i cross because well thats the first safety rule and when you study the DRIVER HANDBOOK it says so there"look both ways,make eye contact" and second i dont want to get hit.Drivers only remember the rules when theyre taking the driver test and once they pass they seem to forget or be careless.
Ellen Main July 25, 2012 at 09:39 PM
What about Fremont and Oak????? A lot of middle school students and Holy Family students cross here...and there should be a crossing guard there during the school year.
TRT July 26, 2012 at 12:05 AM
All above comments are summarizing the reality - good or bad. In my opinion, a lot of the issues brought up here are due to the peoples' lack of knowledge and/or the ignorance on following: MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE (drivers, cyclists, pedestrians...) DO NOT KNOW or FULLY UNDERSTAND THE "RIGHT OF WAY" concept/rules/requirements. Right of Way rules/requirements should be the first thing that DMV and traffic laws emphasize in their documents! Also, some common sense, courtesy towards others would go a long way in eliminating a lot of the incidents.
mike July 26, 2012 at 05:39 AM
Fremont and Huntington!! there needs to be a "No Turn on Red " sign.
Marvion July 26, 2012 at 06:15 AM
Back in the early 1960's they had a program, 'Stop Look Listen'. Many street corner sidewalks were painted with the words ‘Stop Look Listen’. Also, the trains (Southern Pacific, Union Pacific, Santa Fe) used some streets, as their tracks ran down the street. And not very many, if any crossing gates were around back then. Seems the issue was how-to -determine when a train was coming thru an intersection. Some intersections had no signals, and the only caution given was if the train engineer was blasting a loud horn at all hours. The MTA, its ridership, and South Pasadena Station encourage pedestrian bad behavior. Many pedestrians do not stop, look, listen. They have something in, or near their ears, or eyes. MP3 ear buds, cell phone, texting tablet. Their pet is walking them. So is their baby stroller. Note the idea of more bicycle racks. More MTA bad behavior. The really bad cyclists seem like bikers going between cars stopped, and not waiting for their own rightful turn. Even some bad drivers do this. Perhaps in some futuristic Farmer’s Market Thursday they will have an event to advance everyone’s knowledge on the safety of ‘Stop Look Listen’. All should approach all intersections, controlled, or not, with the stop sign limit line in mind.
Ginger July 26, 2012 at 07:26 AM
It would relieve stress if cars had the right away. USA is the only country to have pedestrians having the right away. Pedestrians need to use their common sense. With that being said drivers would have less stress while on the road and there would be less road rage.
Jones Foyer July 26, 2012 at 03:00 PM
One morning I was driving down Mission, near Fremont and a man and a woman were jogging side by side right down the middle of lane. Didn't even get over to let me by. Absolutely ridiculous! I'll give pedestrians the right of way on the shoulder, in a crosswalk, but for pity's sakes running down the middle of the road is way out of line.
spidra July 26, 2012 at 11:51 PM
I hope you reported the cyclist to the police. However, please don't think that one cyclist = all cyclists any more than one motorist = all motorists. We don't usually view the actions of one careless and/or aggressive car driver as being representative of all car drivers but for some reason we generalize with abandon when it comes to people who use other forms of transportation. I am for increased police enforcement of traffic laws on all road/sidewalk users: pedestrians, cyclists, car drivers, skateboarders, etc. If the laws on the books were enforced more often, there'd be less carelessness and downright dangerous behavior on our streets.
spidra July 26, 2012 at 11:59 PM
To Melissa M: Actually, the law about cycling on sidewalks is different in different towns and counties. In some places in CA, anyone under 12 is *required* to ride on the sidewalk. Riding on the sidewalk is not illegal in all situations in South Pasadena. I'm not saying every cyclist bones up on their cycling law, but even if they did it would be difficult to tell what the law is saying they should do in that particular place. Witness these: http://ladotbikeblog.wordpress.com/2010/08/31/la-county-sidewalk-riding-part-5/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_law_in_California Things that would result in less riding on sidewalks by adult cyclists would be: (1) Cycling education in schools. We teach people safe driving. Safe & legal cycling needs to be taught as well. It isn't because our society still treats it as a "toy" rather than transportation. (2) Making our roads safe for all road users - pedestrians, cyclists, skaters, motorists. If they're unsafe, of course people are going to get up on the sidewalk because they'd rather pay a fine than get hit by a truck. South Pasadena has a bike master plan as do surrounding cities. As our infrastructure gets better, hopefully the roads & sidewalks will be safer for our citizens. (3) Educating motorists to the bike part of CA vehicle code. I've had motorist yell at me "Get on the sidewalk!" Clearly they don't know much about bike law. (4) Increased enforcement of laws for cars, bikes, peds, etc.
Sam Burgess July 27, 2012 at 03:11 AM
Ginger, Whenever there is a blog on a sensative issue I try to remain respectful even when I disagree with the commenter. I do not always succeed. Your comment is a lot of nonsense! The USA is NOT the only country to give pedestrians the right of way. In most European countries motorists have the right of way EXCEPT at official pedestrian crossing points. Admittedly this does not mean that motorists in Europe as in the US cede the right of way. (Remember, this tragic accident happened while the pedestrian was in a legal & well marked cross walk). And how would giving motorists the right of way--even at legal cross walks--relieve stress on motorists & then, by extension, lower road rage? Are you saying that if they kill a pedestrian in a cross walk they will not be held responsible and thus will have less stress--and less road rage? ...and what common sense was the innocent pedestrian not using? Your comments are an insult to the family of the pedestrian needlessly killed while legally crossing the street! While I admit I do not know what your major/primary mode of transportation is, I would guess it is not as a pedestrian.
Melissa M. July 27, 2012 at 03:42 PM
I have to kind of agree with Sam on this Ginger. If motorists had the right of way versus Pedestrians, when would pedestrians get a chance to cross anywhere? In any given Urban area there is NEVER a break in traffic. Along with the issues Sam brought up.The crosswalk in question here is in the tricky area. I tried crossing myself there yesterday and when you are coming from the South heading North on it, the view around the corner to watch for approaching cars is obstructed if there are cars parked along the road. Not to mention that people book it around that corner in what I think is an attempt to avoid waiting for the train. IMO, the speed limit leading up to that intersection needs to be lowered to 25MPH and it needs to be monitored more closely by authorities. Putting up a red flashing pedestrian light would also help the problem. Most important of all? BOTH PEDESTRIAN AND MOTORIST NEED TO LOOK OUT FOR EACH OTHER! All too often in my line of work, I'm met with frustration from drivers when I'm crossing the road. Sometimes they even yell and honk at me. This needs to stop. I realize you will never be able to get everyone to follow the rules of the road, but giving out tickets is a great motivation for drivers to start paying attention. And most of all? Avoid devastating a Family for the rest of their lives. A car can be a horrible weapon. And contrary to popular belief? Driving is a priviledge, not a right. It should be treated as such to avoid another tragedy.
Marie August 19, 2012 at 05:18 PM
Last Sunday I was almost mowed down by a black cadillac with black windows WHILE I WAS ALREADY IN THE CROSSWALK AT THE 4 WAY STOP at El Centro where Kaldi and the Library are! I yelled at the driver to no avail. I was literally 3 or 4 steps into the crosswalk when the car sped past me. I'm not sure they even stopped at their stop sign. Same goes for people BLOWING through the stop sign at Meridian and Hope (turning both ways, either from Meridian, left onto Hope to avoid the train, or from Hope turning right onto Meridian). I'm not talking about the creepers. I'm talking about the people who don't even ATTEMPT to stop at the stop sign. I can't COUNT the number of times I've had to dodge those idiot, law-breaking drivers. Or the ones who speed up and down Meridian in excess of 40mph. Went to a town meeting and was informed that if they city sees that people regularly drive faster on a street, INSTEAD OF ENFORCING THE LAW, THEY RAISE THE SPEED LIMIT! HOW IDIOTIC IS THAT?!?!?!

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