Democratic Insiders Say Obama Won Debate, GOP Responders Split

Patch surveyed influential California Republicans and Democrats for their opinion on the second presidential debate on Tuesday.

A Patch survey of influential California partisans showed Democrats uniformly awarding victory in Tuesday's debate to President Obama, while only 10 out of 18 Republicans surveyed said Mitt Romney was the clear winner.

On the Democratic side, 12 of 14 said Obama was the winner by a wide margin while two said he won by a slim margin.  Five out of 18 Republicans said Romney won by a wide margin, five said he won by a slim margin, five said it was a draw, and three said Obama won by a slim margin.

The Patch surveys is not a scientific random sample of any larger population, but rather an effort to listen to a swath of influential local Republican and Democratic activists, party leaders and elected officials in California. All of these individuals have agreed to participate in surveys, although not all responded to this week's questions.

Other points of interest from the survey:

  • While only three Republicans said Obama won the debate, 12 of the 18 surveyed said the media would declare Obama the winner.
  • By contrast, 13 out of 14 Democrats said the media would portray Obama as the winner, with one saying the media would suggest it was a draw.
  • In written statements, several Republicans said the key moment for conservatives would be the discussion of whether Obama portrayed the attacks on the U.S. Embassy as an act of terrorism the morning after they occurred.  Three respondents suggest Obama was lying in his claims that he did say the attacks were terrorism, two chided moderator Candy Crowley for backing up his claim.  Seven out of 18 GOP respondents mentioned the Libya exchange as a key moment in the debate for conservatives, though only one said it would be a key moment for swing voters.
  • Five out of 14 Democrats mentioned the Libya exchange as a key moment for swing voters and three out of 14.
  • One GOP respondent wrote: "you'd have to be brain dead or willfully stupid to think that reelecting [Obama] is a good thing, but California is full of both types, so the First Failure will carry the state and we will reelect Fineswine."
  • Nine out of 18 Republicans said they "strongly agree" or "somewhat agree" that Romney's performance would help him win votes in California, while six said they were "neutral" about the statement.  Three said they somewhat disagreed.
  • Thirteen out of 14 Democratic responders said they "strongly agree" or "somewhat agree" that Obama's performance would help him win votes in California, with one saying he was "neutral."

Obama and Romney next meet on Monday at Lynn University, Boca Raton, FL, at 6 p.m. Pacific Time. Stay tuned to Patch for continuing coverage of the presidential debates.

Patch will be conducting Red California and Blue California surveys throughout 2012 in hopes of determining the true sentiment of Republicans and Democrats on the ground in California. If you are an activist, party leader or elected official and would like to take part in a weekly surveys that lasts just a few minutes, please email Sandra Oshiro.

robert October 18, 2012 at 10:09 PM
This is why Candy shouldn't of gotten involved. She is a good woman and a good professional, but she was wrong on Lybia. The reality is that After Obama said, "acts of terror", Jay carney said it was a response to a video. Susan rice went on all morning TV shows and said that IT WAS NOT a terrorist attack, but a response to a video. Obama refused to call it a terrorist attack on The View. The White House initially said the storming of the consulate attack was a spontaneous assault tied to ongoing protests over a video that ridiculed the Prophet Muhammad, but has since broadened its answer to say an investigation will show what ultimately happened. I think that's the point Romney was making, that the Obama administration backed tracked for two weeks and blamed it on a video instead of calling it a terrorist attack. I would say they didn't want to call it a terrorist attack because the ambassador asked for more security but was denied and that looks bad for the administration. Also lets not forget that the intelligence officials testified that they new immediately that it was a terrorist attack. So the question is, why the back track? Why such a mass effort to downplay the attack? I say its because of the political consequences in terms of the election and the fact that the administration failed to provide adequate security even after the ambassador asked for it because he felt he was in danger. Even Britain and Germany pulled out a while ago.
Irene DeBlasio October 18, 2012 at 10:15 PM
@DaveH POTUS apologized SIX TIMES at the United Nations for the terrible internet movie which caused that "spontaneous demonstration" at Benghazi. The Ambaasador to the UN went on SIX different Sunday Morning TALKING HEADS SHOWS and claimed it was a 'spontaneous demonstration' caused by the reaction to the Internet movie. THEY BOTH LIED to the American people. The Ambassador in the Benghgazi Consulate REQUESTED additional security TWICE and was DENIED!!! Why is this taking so long? Will we find out the truth AFTER the elections?
robert October 18, 2012 at 10:19 PM
Yeah, and MSNBC is just wonderful. Last time I checked, its one of the only few places on TV where you can get a bowl of race card, a plate of overwhelming one sided views, a dash of "Ann Coulter is a slut", and a glass of Al Sharpten.
Irene DeBlasio October 18, 2012 at 10:28 PM
@JerryMahoneyJR POTUS promised he would bring us together as a nation. He excluded Republicans from Obamacare discussions -- hence, the vote by reconciliation. He has missed a large number of security briefings -- too busy, I guess. It's up the the President to bring the two houses of Congress together for the benefit of the people. I guess he's been too busy campaigning with the View, Jon Stewart, Beyonce, JayZ, George Clooney and all the Hollywood 1%ers to bother with accountability and leadership. This is not about Clinton -- disbarred, accused of rape, impeached for lying and paying a huge settlement to Paula Jones. This is about our absentee landlord.
Jeff October 18, 2012 at 10:28 PM
Dopey article - the title says it all. A partisan group picks it's side claiming victory. lol "A Patch survey of influential California partisans showed Democrats uniformly awarding victory in Tuesday's debate " Ya think a group of die hard Democrats would say anything else? Since there is no way to objectively score a debate, its all biased conjecture and fluff. case closed
robert October 18, 2012 at 10:43 PM
Well said
Carol Elliott October 18, 2012 at 11:39 PM
Its the Puffington Host - we should expect no less.....
Cece Stein October 18, 2012 at 11:39 PM
Wendi, one of the reasons Obama talked about 9/11 ELEVEN years later might be because it was 9/11/2012 . If you listen to the speech in FULL in will see how it was used in context of the 9/11 attacks in 2001 not Benghazi. For two weeks he and his underlings were saying the consulate attack was a result of out of control protest over the Anti Muslim video. Turns out that there is no evidence to support the presidents claim that there were out of control protests outside the Consulate. Obama does not want to admit before the campaign that Al Queda is alive and well regardless of his taking credit for killing Osama Bin Laden. The coverup and lies continue and it is his fault.
Dan Abendschein (Editor) October 19, 2012 at 12:36 AM
Quite possible, and any time you ask partisans, that is a risk. However, I would say it is interesting that GOP insiders did not uniformly declare Romney the winner. In the first debate only 40 percent of Dem insiders said Obama won, and in that debate the GOP almost uniformly named Romney the winner. We liked the idea of anonymous polling rather than directly acting partisans on the record to talk about the debate, where they do in fact uniformly say their guy is the best. If you like at the reactions to the first and second debate, you can see we did get some different results for each one, not just people promoting their own guy. Here's the link to the first one: http://venice.patch.com/articles/flash-poll-romney-won-presidential-debate-ca-political-insiders-largely-say
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Always Right October 19, 2012 at 02:12 AM
Amen !!!
Marshall Thompson October 19, 2012 at 02:46 AM
You are an obnoxious aye-whole, Brandt, know what I mean?
Marshall Thompson October 19, 2012 at 02:51 AM
Oh, please,not that old "Faux News" thing. (Yawn) Next!
Marshall Thompson October 19, 2012 at 02:53 AM
Jerry Mahoney, Jr.'s comments are all over the place. Better go back on the ADHD drugs, neighbor, you make almost no sense at all
Niles Akbar October 19, 2012 at 03:08 AM
Oh, you mean spew out predictable garbage LIKE YOU DO! GOT IT!
Marshall Thompson October 19, 2012 at 03:14 AM
I have NEVER been hired by a poor person.
Jack Morgan October 19, 2012 at 05:10 AM
Just vote him out. Then we will not have to deal with his lies.
Jack Morgan October 19, 2012 at 05:11 AM
Romney 2012.
tom m October 19, 2012 at 12:31 PM
Bill Clinton telling crowd in Parma that Romney Is right http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeBCWLGoJb0
Jerry Mahoney II October 19, 2012 at 05:09 PM
But I loved you in Daktari!
Eric Dee October 19, 2012 at 06:31 PM
@ Marg, so you don't know the tea baggers views on anything? Are you also aware up until very recently that Ryayn was an Ayn Ryand afficionado and that Mitt Wrongly has not once given you a clear and concrete example of the trillion dollar cuts he will give nor where the deduction revisions will come from. At least we know from our experience with Mitt is capable of shooting his mouth off about the situation in Bengazi where he had no idea what the consequences might be, he won't hesitate, even in public to comment without getting all the facts... we found that out in his private 47% comments. Are you conservatives headed for Vegas, I hear the odds are stacked against someone who will not show their cards and they love it when you bet on the come!
bbkong October 19, 2012 at 06:42 PM
After watching the debate a few times now I've got to say my favorite moments were the look on Romney's face when he got fact checked in real time by Ms. Crowley and the Damien stare down of Obama by Tagg Romney. Obama's obvious anger over the Benghazi claims renewed my faith in the man.
Marg October 19, 2012 at 08:49 PM
@Eric Dee, the question wasn't what I believe or what my perception of the Tea Party is, but what is it you find so repugnant. And you still have not answered my question. I did not ask about Ayn Rand, Romney or Ryan. I asked about the Tea Party and your beliefs about them. What scares you? Less government? More states rights? What?
Tim Sole October 19, 2012 at 08:49 PM
@Irene, America has always had a 1%. The difference between the old 1% and the new 1% is, the old 1% understood the concept of a middle class. The new 1%, raised by Viet Nam draft dodging Ameri-Haters, educated by Communist College Professors and brain washed by government destruction of personal liberty. Only think of themselves, they have and will continue to sell their own mother for a buck. SO, yes they can leave now and they can take the liberal entitled thinking fruit cakes with them. BYE BYE, Ameri-Haters, get the heck of this country now and take your jap cars and chinese made "Icrap" with you.
Bill C. October 19, 2012 at 08:53 PM
Really, his fake anger did that, you're easily fooled dude.
Marg October 19, 2012 at 08:54 PM
You mean when Crowley admitted Romney was right about the lying to the public part? The fairy tale about the video and it being a spontaneous protest? And Obama thinking his statements in the Rose Garden are his declaration it was a terrorist attack? Those comments, BB? Obama was angry because he has gotten caught red handed for weeks of false info being given to the voters. But of course, the lib media will give him a pass since he's the Golden Male.
Marg October 19, 2012 at 08:55 PM
People, don't forget RAGE AGAINST THE MEDIA tomorrow at noon in front of CBS.
Marg October 19, 2012 at 08:58 PM
Yay, Bill C. Of course he's easily fooled. Hey Bill, Did you see 300 Generals are supporting Romney?
Bill C. October 19, 2012 at 09:04 PM
Using the term Teabaggers leaves the person out of real debate. That being said, Obama's life is filled with mentors or friends that were socailist, communists and America haters. Why anyone is surprised with his decisions is amazing.
Marg October 19, 2012 at 09:06 PM
And speaking of "anything you can do I can do better".......Romney was a stone cold hoot at the banquet last night. Great writers for him. For the Prez.....not so much. He had a couple of mildly humorous comments but it was mostly soft campaigning. Nothing is sacred to O. I was completely surprised the Catholics allowed him in since he's been bullying them.


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