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Got a Gripe? Holden Wants to Hear It

The San Gabriel Valley legislator wants to hear what concerns you about the 41st Assembly District and the state.

Assemblymember Chris Holden (D-Pasadena) is having an Open House and the public is invited.

Assemblymember Holden wants to share the new district office with residents of the 41st A.D. and hear from them about issues that concern the district and the state. His district includes South Pasadena, Altadena, Pasadena, Sierra Madre, San Marino, Monrovia, San Dimas, La Verne, Claremont, Upland and Alta Loma (part of Rancho Cucamonga).

A brief program will announce and honor the 41st Assembly “2013 Woman of the Year” and provide a brief update from the Capitol. Light refreshments will be served and the event is free and open to the public.

The open house takes place from 2-5 p.m. on Saturday, March 16 at the 41st Assembly District Office, 600 N. Rosemead Blvd., suite 117, Pasadena.

Brandon March 7, 2013 at 06:27 pm
The information at that no710 doesn't convince me that the tunnel is bad. I like the idea of having a separate shipping route for big trucks if that's what the fuss is about. Anyone here who has read an EIR knows that in order to get an EIR approved the EIR must have logical alternatives which sometimes end up happening. I have worked on EIRs before and those aren't as biased as people make them out to be. I say EIR so much because I know there is one being done by a big Civil Engineering company and that is really the key to this project being approved or not. For those interested in the issue be there to comment on that, as they have to review and make comments back for that huge binder of reports.
Sam Burgess March 7, 2013 at 06:30 pm
...And now...back to the original point of this blog--What questions or concerns do we have for Assemblyman Holden.
Assemblyman Holden, you have stated you are opposed to allowing trucks in the proposed SR710 tunnel extension. Some of your constituents have taken this as saying you would oppose the tunnel if trucks were allowed. Is this an accurate depiction of your statements and views? There is a concern in your district--from Pasadena on the West to Upland in the East--that your support of using Measure R funds on the SR710 study--a study using 1950's, 20th century solutions to solve a 21st century transportation problem--is taking away funds that could be used to extend the Gold Line even further to the East. Do these concerns accurately reflect your position? Thank you for your response.
Tao March 7, 2013 at 07:59 pm
Steve, banning trucks from the tunnel is a red herring that METRO and Holden keep tossing out there. But the hidden purpose (according to Metro) backed up by the financial studies they've done contradict that ever happening.
1. According to Metro (as explained in their news release), the 710 tunnels are being built specifically for trucks: http://tinyurl.com/adu5346 "While this year's 18 projects and the I-405 are designed primarily to give people a better commute, three other high-profile projects in various planning stages but not yet scheduled, address the demands of commerce -- specifically goods movement from the twin ports of L.A. and Long Beach, the two busiest ports in the country, and goods movement from California's Central Valley, America's bread basket."..."The 710 north gap closure between the I-10 and the I-210 would complete the natural goods corridor that was begun several decades ago." (Doug Failing, executive director of highway programs Metro) 2 .710 tunnels will not "pencil out" unless they have the income of tolls from trucks: http://tinyurl.com/cemhbah Even with trucks, if the tunnels estimated capital expenditures exceed 6.3 billion (2007$ and likely will total 24 B upon completion), it will have to be subsidized by tax payers otherwise the tolls would be astronomical : http://tinyurl.com/coyvq45
Forgive my humor March 7, 2013 at 08:27 pm
I'm quite certain, Gail, that neither Sam nor I would do ponies the disservice of confusing you for one.
SteveB March 7, 2013 at 10:15 pm
Well, there you go - if you can extract a concession that the 710 extension will not allow cargo trucks and that makes the extension financially impractical, you've accomplished your goal.
@Vicki, I find your "build a road and they will come" assessment lacking, at least, with regards to the 210 extension - the increase in traffic once the extension was completed was sudden, i.e., not added vehicles for the region, but more likely traffic now taking a better route than the 10 or 60. In other words, relieving pressure off other regional highways. Bad for us, good for others.
Vicki Kea March 8, 2013 at 04:02 am
No, Gayle, I'm not suggesting heavy rail from El Sereno to Pasadena. Did you get a chance to review the GRID Logistics site? Think outside the box. A whole new approach from the ports (the beginning) to the end (goods movement to hubs). A new system. Why use trucks at the ports to haul the containers to a train when the containers can be put directly on a train or conveyor? See the proposed routes at GRID Logistics. This is not the only idea out there. I'm just using this one as an example. Here is a good map of the Alameda Corridor and Alameda Corridor East. http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.theaceproject.org/photo/intermodel1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.theaceproject.org/&h=822&w=1114&sz=476&tbnid=Dh37W9cxC0ooPM:&tbnh=91&tbnw=124&zoom=1&usg=__OC4S9BF5mfjvRx-lPzKkE7oQWoU=&docid=0RIwAMXVwRjk3M&sa=X&ei=_oo5UbnOLu3iyAH-tYHoDg&ved=0CFEQ9QEwAw&dur=1160
Joanne Nuckols March 8, 2013 at 04:09 am
Gayle you really need to do your homework and look at a map before posting false information. Also, we all want to know where you live so we can put your inaccurate comments in context.
South Pasadena DID NOT oppose the Gold Line, in fact we fought for it with Los Angeles (Highland Park) and Pasadena. We also fought for mitigations of noise and grade separation which we did not get. LA and Pasadena was more successful on that front. I suggest you look at a map before saying South Pasadena citizens should not be allowed to use freeways and be confined to surface streets. What cities do you think the Arroyo Seco Parkway goes through or does that freeway not count in your mind? It goes through LA and South Pasadena TO Pasadena and stops at the Pasadena border. FYI, this Parkway was the first freeway west of the Mississippi and we've had it in our town since 1939. If you were a fair person, you'd start harping that the 710 freeway should go through San Marino, as the first proposed route did, but they screamed about saving their town and pushed it over into So Pas. They don't have any freeway or light rail line so lets share the wealth. Politically the 710 freeway or toll tunnels are unbuildable with LA, So Pas and Pasadena mayor and three councilmen against. These are the cities it would go through, not Alhambra. Check it out on that map I suggested!
Gayle M. Montgomery March 8, 2013 at 07:42 am
Joanne, there is something intrinsically wrong about the statement "we all want to know where you live." I have stated on more than one occasion that I lived and continue to live in Monrovia where the Gold Line will have a station stop in 2014 if all goes well. I rode the Gold Line from its inception. You may have fought to get a stop, but the citizens of South Pasadena were absolutely obnoxious and the only City to act in such fashion when the route opened. Its restrictions on the train when it started to roll through your fair city impacted the ridership that had to pass through it. At first, the train went at its normal, intended pace with alarms to alert motorists to protect passenger and driver safety. But South Pasadena just got stupid about it, and the next thing you knew, the train had to go significantly slower through South Pasadena than in any other venue, and could not use the same alarms. So your remarks are ignorant. You are comparing apples to oranges. You may have wanted a station, but you certainly did not support the train when it was fully functional. Grey haired old ladies with signs stood on that ride in protest when it went into action. You cannot change that fact with your city committee's bullying cry. It happened.
Gayle M. Montgomery March 8, 2013 at 07:49 am
Vickie, again SoPas expects to be unjustly enriched by diverting the potential for traffic to go through your area and transferring it to some other community. At 60 years of age, I have been having to find detours and shortcuts through South Pasadena for decades from the Alhambra area to Pasadena or from LA to other parts of the SGV. For that matter, I had even considered relocating to SoPas but was put off by the actions of the citizenry with respect to the train in motion and the fact that, along the initial route, SoPas had a fee-based parking structure which would have had added an incremental expense to the commute.
Gayle M. Montgomery March 8, 2013 at 07:57 am
Since the South Pasadena Posse is being ignorant in its remarks about their role regarding the train at its onset, here is an LA Times article that captures what I've been saying. There was no secret the train was coming. It was built on an abandoned rail right of way where there would have been significantly more noise with heavy rail, and yet the article speaks to what the good citizenry said and did about the train and how its ridership was impacted. Now maybe some of the ballyhooers just didn't live there when that happened, and I will stipulate to that. But it does not negate the fact that it did happen in spite of the asinine remarks that I'm being ignorant in my remarks about South Pasadena and its impedance. http://articles.latimes.com/2003/jul/02/local/me-noise2
Gayle M. Montgomery March 8, 2013 at 07:57 am
The search query results also yielded this snippet from 2006 in a presumably cached article, but, due to age, the original article does not come through when you click on the link. Gold Line introducing express service - DailyBulletin.com
www.dailybulletin.com/news/ci_3441676Jan 27, 2006 – But speed restrictions in South Pasadena and Los Angeles have led to slower service. Increased ridership on the Gold Line is seen as key to ...
Gayle M. Montgomery March 8, 2013 at 08:02 am
I also found a third article that said that, because the trains were set to run more swiftly, when the bar went down and the bells rang, they had to ring longer for the slower speed which was another reason the citizenry complained, and they perceived this as punishment for not allowing the 710 freeway to be completed. That article is almost 10 years old. So, for criminy sakes, South Pasadena, do your homework and take some responsibility for your own actions.
True Freedom March 8, 2013 at 12:34 pm
The govts studies show that connecting the 710 will yield more truck and auto traffic on the 210 east AND west (which borders Altadena). With the San Gabes on one side and the 210 on two other sides, Altadena can expect an increase in local air pollution with the 710.
Forgive my humor March 8, 2013 at 02:25 pm
The trouble with you, Gail, is that you lack the power of reasoning but not the power to post false information.
Forgive my humor March 8, 2013 at 02:42 pm
Gail, how much more of your venom and hatred can you spew at the residents of South Pasadena? Does Chris Holden approve of your behavior?
Danielle Corona March 8, 2013 at 04:03 pm
I can't believe I'm saying this, but this was well said Gayle, and So. Pasadena residents need to hear this. They have held the freeway project hostage long enough. I can't believe they think the excessive stop and go, bumper to bumper twice a day traffic that congests the streets of So. Pasadena are better then what a freeway would accomplish. Whatever, it certainly keeps me from visiting and shopping in So. Pasadena.
SteveB March 8, 2013 at 04:30 pm
Forgive your hypocrisy, 6 posts, 6 attacks, no contribution of substance.
1) "Geez Gail, you are so wrong and so rude in what you have said. I hope for Chris Holden's sake you resign." Let's take a look at FMH's posts and see who is being rude. 2) "No gitinjiggywitit, both Gail and you are very wrong. Everyone is entitled to be ignorant, but you abuse the privilege." Nice. Accusation of ignorance, no facts to support the assertion. 3) "There ya go folks, Holden's mouth piece, Gayle, admits the 710 freeway is being built to "provide a viable commercial corridor" (Cargo trucks galore). Inhale deeply folks - your health is not Holden's concern." Continuing the fiction that Gayle represents Holden. 4) "The trouble with you, Gail, is that you lack the power of reasoning but not the power to post false information." Amusing, isn't it, given the false assertion made in comment 3? Not to mention an apparent inability to rebut any of Gayle's "false information". 5) "I'm quite certain, Gail, that neither Sam nor I would do ponies the disservice of confusing you for one." Gratuitous insult, check. 6) "Gail, how much more of your venom and hatred can you spew at the residents of South Pasadena? Does Chris Holden approve of your behavior?" Who is spewing venom and hatred? Others here may take exception with what Gayle posts, but they post counterpoints. You just post ... <insert expletive>.
Dominique LaTavion March 8, 2013 at 05:46 pm
@ Forgive My Humor
Of course Chris Holden approves of Gail's attacks on the city of South Pasadena. Chris Holden is certainly not a friend of that city considering how strongly he has advocated for the 710 freeway to tear right through it. I saw them together at one of Holden's events and those two appear very well acquainted. If you Google Gail Montgomery's name you'll see she posts comments on almost every article about him like a paid spokesperson would do. I don't think a person not being paid to do this would spend that much time out of their assumed busy day unless they are paid. My guess is Montgomery is Holden's "Karl Rove" style strategist and she uses Rush Limbaugh's style while acting as Holden's spokesperson. You know like if both Holden and Montgomery can deny she represents him, then she can say any foul thing she wants using his talking points while Holden's hands appear nice and clean. Chris Holden hiring an attack dog? Seems plausible to me.
Gayle M. Montgomery March 8, 2013 at 07:56 pm
Forgive, I don't. Meet me at Chris's meet and greet and we'll ask him together. I do not work for Holden, I do not hate South Pasadena, but it's time you guys understood the actions of your city have had on others, all your name calling aside. You are a bully, but hey, I am not somebody you easily bully.
Gayle M. Montgomery March 8, 2013 at 07:56 pm
Thanks, Steve.
Gayle M. Montgomery March 8, 2013 at 07:59 pm
Dominique, you have put 2 and 2 together and come up with 22. If you can prove that I work for Chris Holden or that I served in his campaign staff in any way, I will give you a $100. Offer expires when hell freezes over. You guys will say anything so that the only message that comes through is no on 710 and anybody who supports Chris for his work on jobs or in stoppying payday loan sheisters must be a shill. Maybe you guys are suffering from lack of pollution or something because you're brains are not connecting the dots here.
Gayle M. Montgomery March 8, 2013 at 08:02 pm
Now, as far as you having seen Chris and I together, unless you were at the 41st District delegation election and saw me shake his hand and thank him for taking action on the payday loans, because I have seen other people's lives ruined behind them, you really do not know what in the hades you are taking about. As far as your Karl Rove and Rush Limbaugh commentary, when I'm through laughing, I'll see if we cannot find you a good doctor for those delusions. That is funny. Poor baby.
Gayle M. Montgomery March 8, 2013 at 08:31 pm
Uh, oh. Can't believe I am saying this, too (smile). Thanks, Danielle.
Marvion March 9, 2013 at 12:53 am
Rename this thread: Got a Gripe? Gayle M. Montgomery, Robert Defulgentiis and Holden Want to Hear It.
Vicki Kea March 9, 2013 at 03:16 am
SteveB, regarding "build and they will come," see this info regarding induced traffic: http://www.no710.com/_better_solutions_ls/1-repurpose_the_710/highway-expansion-myth.pdf
Vicki Kea March 9, 2013 at 03:32 am
Gayle, I realize that one might think that this is a commuter issue, but it is not. It is driven by goods movement. I would be interested if you would be wiling to pay up to $15.00 per trip through the tunnel for a commute between Pasadena and El Sereno, because that is what it will take to pay back the foreign private investor. What if you want to go somewhere between the two portals? No can do. You enter the tunnel in Pasadena and you come out in El Sereno. Then you have to double back. Vice versa for those entering the tunnel at the other end. What happens to those who don't want or cannot pay the toll? They take the streets. What if truckers don't want to pay the toll. The trucks take the streets. The better solution is taking traffic off the road with better light rail, trolley cars (mom was right), and shuttles, bike lanes, and pedestrian walkways to reduce congestion, and new and innovative methods of moving goods from the ports to their destinations.
Buzlightyear aka marty March 9, 2013 at 04:07 am
Freeways--congestion--etc
Before the 210 freeway went through pasadena, Wodbury road was congested, as people used it race across to NewYork dr.- foothil BLVD for the east-- west route. When the freeway opened in the early seventies, It did not have a slow rush hour f 7 or 8 years. But what happened is, a change in peoples job, and houses. Suddenly someone who worked in Glendale could move to Glendora for a cheaper house, and still work in Glendale, Alot of houses were built along the cities of the 210. They mostly would of been built anyway. But having the 210 in place set up the commuting possibilities. That with the general growing population, by the time the 1981 recession ended, the freeway became congested. From what I remember as a kid, the traffic on the streets here never increased back to the pre freeway days. But the freeway did increase the overall commute rides east-west by 50 times over the last 40 years.
Gayle M. Montgomery March 9, 2013 at 04:11 am
Vicki please define new and innovative in your last remarks.
SteveB March 9, 2013 at 03:02 pm
Vicki,
a study of traffic congestion that does not factor for regional population growth is, to put it nicely, difficult to interpret. E.g., if you double highway capacity, but population growth doubles, of course congestion is not going to improve. Now, if you hadn't improved highway capacity, and population doubles, .....
Donna Evans (Editor) March 9, 2013 at 03:44 pm
Thank you everyone for all the points you made and the links you posted. I am closing comments at this time, as I think the assemblyman has a pretty good idea from this thread where folks stand on the 710 issue.

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